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Resellers - You’ll nut over this! Vendors - please listen closely! Idiots - you fucking annoy me! ( self )

submitted by Matu Warning: 0%

https://21done.ph/?ref=5

First Resellers 21done is changing the game with their newest update. They now have a separate website completely unlinked to 21done (don’t worry about kids seeing what you ACTUALLY pay for IDs) where they can enter in all of their information, picture, etc. themselves. No more being blamed for typos or other bullshit. No more wasting your time collecting info, hunting people down for incomplete info, or worrying about complaining for shit that’s not even your fault. This makes things so much faster and better for you!

Shipping time: I’ve resold through them a few times and so has my friend. They’re speed is nothing short of incredible. Every single order so far has come in in under 1 week and even as fast as 3 days. This is straight Amazon Prime shipping. They are also super responsive almost 24/7 via Wickr. Incredible support!

If you consider, please use my link when checking out the site: https://21done.ph/?ref=5

As far as prices they are very reasonable and even a few IDs greatly reduces the cost. My friend when reselling was getting them as low as $26/ID. THATS $26 for an ID he received within 3 days.

Vendors Now my turn to speak to the vendors. This is by no means meant to be a “shot” at you guys. 21done’s new reseller page is something incredible I wish everyone had. It allows resellers to send their buyers to a separate website (that way we don’t get fucked and have to listen to our buyers bitch when they find out how much were overcharging them) where they themselves submit all of their information and it adds to a cart where we the reseller confirm everyone’s entry and submit and pay for the order. This is something incredible I think all vendors should atleast look into. At very minimum an affiliate link we can give to people would be amazing. Especially like 21done’s where all they have to do is click on it once and for every order for the rest of their life, we receive a small commission.

Finally, the dumbasses This forum somehow gets dumber and dumber. For all of you 16 year old kids buying a fake here’s some basic notes:

  • Every single vendor on here is extremely busy. They don’t have time to be bothered with annoying questions.
  • ONLY buy from the verified vendors list and you’ll have no problem
  • Yes, your order takes time to make and to ship. Vendors have a life too. Vendors also need safety to protect you.
  • Stop making stupid posts asking when your orders going to ship. Rule of thumb: when a vendor says it’ll take _ weeks, it will take weeks. Any time faster than that is a bonus. If it still hasn’t arrived 5 days after the expected time, open ONE ticket on their website. Stop posting about it here.
  • PAY IN BITCOIN. So many of you have problems paying other ways. One your western union is easily traceable. Two, bitcoin is beyond easy and much cheaper and safer to buy. Download cash app. Use my local bitcoins. Use coinbase. These are all literally dummy proof.

That is all for now. I will have some reviews coming soon on Evolved’s new Michigan and new Illinois.



Upvoted: Matu, nflamel57
Downvoted: oi2
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none OG Vendor —

When you get 5 orders a week, that shipping time is understandable. Also asked people about commission before, a long time ago on reddit. 95% of people were against it because they can make more money reselling rather than referring.

Edit: 5 order/week thing isn't mean to offend btw. Brand New vendors don't get many orders right away


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Matu [S] —

New vendor, so they have the ability to do that shipping time since they aren’t over loaded with orders yet.

As far as affiliate: for the link, yes, I would much prefer keeping it away from the people I sell to. But as far as strangers online, I don’t want to deal with compromising my identity. An affiliate link is great for collecting commission on other resellers that you find online or even real life people who are already selling. That way you make something rather than nothing (this is mostly big for recommending vendors online or leaving a referral link with your review for other online people to use).

I don’t want this to get confused with the whole website your buyers go to idea. That one is basically a URL not at all affiliated wjth the vendor. It’s basically a blank website other than your standard form asking for First middle last, DOB, picture, sig, height, weight, eye color, hair color etc. other than that there is no direct way of saying “hey he’s getting IDs from FYD”. Just a blank website that collects their info that I can later login to FYD and say “submission 592,638,675, and 726 are in my group, checkout, pay”.


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Matu [S] —

For example, I’ve been able to earn over $300 this month off my referral link. I only give it to people in online forums. These are people I would never DM and say “hey send me all your info and transfer me money” cuz it’s risky and people would think it’s a scam anyways. Using my link doesn’t hurt them at all, they still get the same rates they would without my link and I get to earn money.


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Budgetfakes.com OG Vendor —

Just going to touch on a few things since this has over 25 comments .

  1. Any newbie vendor can put out ids in 3 days thats facts so really nothing great. Look at Desert fakes he was that fast to till you get known and volume goes up and then you can't keep up to that.

  2. Refferals , well we had a set up like that for 7 years and actually a bit better. You use all our syastem even our payment info and we pay out 25% and the reseller stays 100% anonymous so not sure why this is so big or some great new thing.

  3. Ya for now it's a site on it's own , keep talking about it and it will be part of google so then buyers will know where your buying from so then that hey its away from the vendor site will be gone.

  4. It's so good because you don't have to type up forms for resellers. Well for our resellers you don't have to do forms either and it's been that way for 9 years. We have always had it where u summit group orders in a doc .

So not that this idea is crap , I'm saying it's nothing new. They havent reinvented the wheel or made a new wheel. It's stuff vendors have had in different forms for years now.


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FoundingFathers Vendor —

lmao, No vendor will ever touch the amount of shit YOLO was on though imo.


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21done Vendor —

Totally agree with you on most of the points here, but to clarify:

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We are fully automated in all aspects outside of pictures. The biggest immediate benefit we get from the reseller platform is that with a native signature pad, we have fully automated the signatures done there as well. We can handle volumes far above what we are doing right now. I hope you are right though, I hope business hits a level that actually causes our turn around to slow down. That would be over the top.

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Our 'referral/affiliate' system is exactly as you described using our own system/payment system and the reseller(we call affiliate in this case) gets 20% of gross sales from guests who purchase through their link or users who make accounts through their link (for life) without ever revealing anything except where they want their bitcoin sent to or cash mailed to. It is nothing new, not special, and definitely not unique. We just have a few strong spammers pushing the hell out of their link on Tinder and wherever else they are having luck.

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Since the reseller site isn't dependent on search traffic or even people remembering the name, if/when it leaks and becomes associated with us in search engines, we will change the domain. Any resellers who are consistent in their numbers can have a custom domain name made for them. I'm sure we all know how simple it is for us to just mirror everything over to another domain name...

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Taking a csv/doc with the order info in it is huge and shows that you care about your resellers. Having the ability to organize everything into an excel or doc or csv and upload it/send it over is huge. I can't imagine being a reseller without that.

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Nothing new here from us, I just think the way ours is implemented can be exciting for some resellers, as their customers can easily resell as well, without relying on multiple channels of people to get information across accurately and in a similar/same format. I encourage all vendors to offer such a system. It isn't difficult to setup and the benefits are real. We have guys brazenly posting the website in their snapchat story saying something along the lines of "go here, fill out the form, send cashapp/venmo here, and send me a screenshot of the cashapp confirmation and the website confirmation with your id number and name in it" and that's literally it.

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They are no longer responsible for typos, signatures, pictures, dealing with the organizing, explaining, clarifications, it's just done. They can send over a csv with the numbers and last names, or they can just fill out the form on the website and checkout.

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I assumed this was already done in private by multiple vendors the same way, I just wasn't sure and it didn't really matter in regards to setting things up or getting it going. We aren't trying to reinvent anything here, we are just trying to provide the best service we can to our customers with what we currently have. Our offerings are extremely lacking in variety right now, as much as one can lack in variety actually. We are producing a solid IL right now, and will soon move on to other states. We just want to make sure we don't run into the type of problems associated with doing too many too fast, or releasing something that is less than the best that we can do in the name of volume.

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Always impressed at the quality of operators here. We are just doing our thing and offering what we can right now. Thanks for all the input, it's genuinely appreciated.

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-21done


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

Imma keep it real w you chief. That reseller thing is pretty lame and useless lol. A LOT of resellers get their info via email, so that makes no difference, and a lot want variety, not just one state.

Focus on quality first, then with your profits expand and create more states, and THEN focus on resellers.


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Matu [S] —

Let’s cover a few things:

1) your closing comment: this idea is for vendors on this website. 99% of active vendors on here already perfected their quality and quantity of states to their best ability. FYD, OIS, Budget, Evolved, etc. already have a wide selection with very good quality.

2) Next time you submit an order as a reseller let me know how much time you wasted going back and forth between your email and typing in everyone’s info correctly, downloading and uploading pictures, etc. a small order of 10 people is still you copying everyone’s first middle last name, DOB, hair color, eye color, height, weight, address, city, zip ten times over and over again. Saves us resellers a lot of time. Secondly why would this ever be restricted to one state? Last time I checked when you enter this info in yourself you chose multiple states. Don’t see why having a separate form completely destroys that idea


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

1) your closing comment: this idea is for vendors on this website. 99% of active vendors on here already perfected their quality and quantity of states to their best ability. FYD, OIS, Budget, Evolved, etc. already have a wide selection with very good quality.

All of them started out with very few states, and used their profits to expand. They'd actually be great exemplars to my point. The reality is, most resellers want variety.

2) Next time you submit an order as a reseller let me know how much time you wasted going back and forth between your email and typing in everyone’s info correctly, downloading and uploading pictures, etc. a small order of 10 people is still you copying everyone’s first middle last name, DOB, hair color, eye color, height, weight, address, city, zip ten times over and over again. Saves us resellers a lot of time. Secondly why would this ever be restricted to one state? Last time I checked when you enter this info in yourself you chose multiple states. Don’t see why having a separate form completely destroys that idea

Takes me like 30-50 secs a person, And I have control so I can see that everyone has paid, submitted, used decent photos, no noticeable mistakes; and email doesn't sus them out like going to a random website that they can't even google so i don't lose clients. Also, you literally attributed this program to one vendor 21done who has one state and called it ground breaking. I mean.. not to be rude, but not even close.

As for affiliate links, those always fail because you never want your client to know who they are buying from. It's either "I know a guy," "My buddy makes them," or "I make them."


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i_main_darius Y E E T —


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i_main_darius Y E E T —

As for affiliate links, those always fail because you never want your client to know who they are buying from. It's either "I know a guy," "My buddy makes them," or "I make them."

Exactly...what's to stop potential buyers from just going on 21done's regular website?

Next time you submit an order as a reseller let me know how much time you wasted going back and forth between your email and typing in everyone’s info correctly, downloading and uploading pictures, etc. a small order of 10 people is still you copying everyone’s first middle last name, DOB, hair color, eye color, height, weight, address, city, zip ten times over and over again. Saves us resellers a lot of time.

Yes it could be time-consuming but as already mentioned it's easy to do once you get the hang of it. More importantly, handling the orders yourself gives you the ability to set your profit margin. I always price at double the price of the ID if not more, so my profits are 50% not 20%. I think that the extra work is more 30% more profit.


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Matu [S] —

Few things your misunderstanding:

1) affiliate links- as I mentioned over and over the affiliate links aren’t to give to your clients. They’re to give to fellow resellers on here. If you recommended to me ___ vendor, then you will forever earn a commission off me. On the other hand I pay the same rates I would even if I never clicked on your link so it doesn’t hold me behind

2) website- again OVER AND OVER AND OVER I have said this. If you read for once in your life you would realize a few things. 1) your customers still directly pay you whether it’s cash or Venmo or cash app or whatever the hell. 2) they never see who your buying from, what price they charge, etc. it’s literally a blank Fucking website and the only thing on it is a forum for them to fill out. You don’t lose any money. It’s like if you had a google form except it’s in the format the vendor wants. Common sense god damn I didn’t know it’d be so difficult to read or use common sense. A 5th grader could understand this.


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dougstamper —

These explanations are all way too long for my attention span lol


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Matu [S] —

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DominicLuca —

good idea, there is something to think about


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21done Vendor —

Matu, much appreciated.

I'd like to touch on some of the things pointed out here. First off, we are new to the website and our brand is new, so we are definitely far behind the big names when it comes to volume. We can handle 160 IDs per day as we stand right now, and we are able to double this in a matter of a few days if need be. That would be a wonderful problem to have.

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Being so heavily automated, having a great team, and obviously just working with one state makes this much more manageable. As we expand into other states, I'm sure things will be more hectic, but we won't release without being comfortable with our setup. We have a great team and feel comfortable handling far more than we expect any time soon.

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We are fully domestic. This is a huge advantage when it comes to turn around time. Obviously this is just home field advantage and comes with it's down sides, like having to pay high wages, and having limited access to offset presses and millions of dollars in equipment or quick access to manufacturing plants setup to do all of the grunt work for us.

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We have the affiliate linked system in place specifically for those who do not want to resell in person, or who just want to be completely removed from that process. It is not a substitute for a reseller program, but simply another program all in itself. We have multiple affiliates making over $500 a week using this currently.

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The new reseller system is far from useless. It allows resellers to simply send buyers a link, and get back a number and last name. Or just a screenshot of the confirmation page, as we recommend for accuracy. The reseller then enters the numbers/names on a form and pays. That's it. It allows for easy drop shipping, easy bulk ordering, and easy ordering for just a few pieces at a time. We have no minimums. This is massively beneficial for anyone serious about reselling. Obviously have 25 states would be great for us, but it's just not in the cards right now. We will trickle out new states as we feel comfortable releasing them. We are just getting started.

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We have focused on customer service, speed, and quality to the best of our abilities. Our nIL is surely within the ranks of the best available, and we intend on holding to this standard for any state that we release in the future. Being able to respond to customers within seconds, or hours at most, is hugely beneficial to us and the customer. We will continue this practice throughout our tenure.

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We are appreciative of being part of such a community, and only look to make it better. We are wide open to any suggestions and will always do our best to make sure things end up to our customer's satisfaction in the end. So far things are going alright, but I'm sure they can go better. Almost every major vendor here does an incredible job at what they do. It is beyond 99% of customer's comprehension what goes into actually pulling this off successfully. We have nothing but respect and admiration for the vendors who are producing so many states and turning them around in a reasonable amount of time for customers to reap the rewards of having a market with so much competition, and so much quality and craftsmanship at their disposal. We are just happy to be here and excited to see where things go.

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-21done


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dsleezy —

For sure a W of a vendor, high quality, great CS and yeah that reseller system saves me hours each week


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dsleezy —

I’m sure i didn’t have the most efficient way of manually putting in people’s data, but this way i dont gotta check over all the info I put in to make sure it’s all right, and don’t have to transfer pictures over. Especially with the on-site signature pad. Explaining and getting a signature was always annoying. I send the reseller link to one person and they send it to their friends and get me the screenshots and now just by talking to one person for 5 mins i have 5 people all ready for an order because it’s that easy.


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dsleezy —

But yes, only having one state nIL is a setback because not everyone lives where an IL is the best option. Luckily for me I’m in the Midwest so it’s an ez sell, but expanding to all areas of the country would be huge


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

We have multiple affiliates making over $500 a week using this currently.

Lol sure...


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21done Vendor —

You are widely respected here, come on wickr, username wickr21done and I'd be happy to show you some internal numbers. I'm sure with your experience it wouldn't be difficult to tell if they were fabricated or not. I do appreciate the fact that you think I am making it up, that encourages me and leads me to believe we are doing well with the system.


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

bruh you and I know that is an absolute lie. ask any respected vendor if they believe you. you are on the newbie list and have no seo. gtfo


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21done Vendor —

I can only take this as a compliment. We pay out 20% once a reseller hits 20%. As you can see, this guy is #5, so he jumped on early. Ask him how much he makes. Obviously not something we can specifically disclose, but I'm sure he can tell you. I take it we are doing solid numbers overall, based on your assumptions and what I am actually aware that we are doing. Like I said, because of who you are, I am open to sharing some numbers in regards to the affiliate system in hopes that you would come back here with a different approach to your public responses. Anytime you are available, I can try to be as well.


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

My guy, I know you are lying lol. Simple math...

Multiple ppl making $500 a week would mean over 100k/year in reseller referral revenue alone. You said 20% so that means x5 of that is your revenue from referral links. 400k+ lmaoooooooo. gtfo.


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21done Vendor —

Multiple just means more than one. Your numbers do add up accurately though.

Although as stated, this could be as low as $52k per year total. Considering we've been active for 91 days and the affiliate system two thirds of that, obviously we don't have yearly numbers to look at.


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

Your guy matu claims to have made

For example, I’ve been able to earn over $300 this month off my referral link

Thats not even $100 a week... gtfo. Nigga you lied. And its fuckin obvious lolol.


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21done Vendor —

He is one of two dozen active affiliates, meaning affiliates who are above the 5 sales point which is when profits start to matter. He is making some money, but is obviously not one of the multiple (more than one) people making $500+ per week. There is no gain in lying here. I am not even interested in pushing the affiliate linked referral system that much. I am more interested in the actual reseller system, which is what this thread is really about. I am just trying to cover all bases when it comes to replies generated from this guys thread. No harm meant, just talking shop and numbers. Nothing magical happening here, just basic economics in a massive market with some motivated spammers pushing an affiliate link.


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

As you can see, this guy is #5, so he jumped on early. Ask him how much he makes.

You literally said this about matu... You lied to make yourself sound bigger than you are in hopes that that would miraculously boost your rep and maybe sales. You lied like a fucking idiot. I mean really, you are not even anywhere near that. No reputable vendor will believe this horseshit lmao. I've heard this same BS many of times..


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Matu [S] —

I can’t tell you how other affiliates do, but I can guaranteed my numbers are accurate. Once a reseller clicks my link once, I get commissions for life. Not to mention your ignorance kept boosting this thread. Thanks to you I got a spike in the number of clicks on my link.

Let’s look at a simple fact. You have 5 vendors who sell $400 a week on ids. That’s $2,000. Because they clicked on my link one time, I earn 20% of that a week. That’s $400 a week I earn from other resellers doing work.

Now that’s not happening with me, and I’m not claiming it is, but it’s not very hard to realistically do.


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

Thanks to you I got a spike in the number of clicks on my link.

ur welcome. I dont give a fck about that. if thats true then good.

Let’s look at a simple fact. You have 5 vendors who sell $400 a week on ids. That’s $2,000. Because they clicked on my link one time, I earn 20% of that a week. That’s $400 a week I earn from other resellers doing work.

Now that’s not happening with me, and I’m not claiming it is, but it’s not very hard to realistically do.

I'm not mad at you. Let that be clear. This debacle is caused by an obvious lie. He is claiming to make AT MINIMUM $20k/month from affiliates alone. Even some vendors with SEO and multiple states aren't making that. Every vendor would call BS on that. It is such an obvious lie that I had to call it out.


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21done Vendor —

I clearly said to ask the guy how much he makes... I didn't look and see how much he makes first, as it is irrelevant to the conversation as we will not disclose an individual affiliates numbers. I just looked at his number being 5 and knew he jumped on early. What about his total sales? Does his amount generated from simply pasting a link count for nothing? I never said he specifically made any amount at all. I just said to ask him... You seem awfully biased about the whole situation. I've offered to show you some internal data in regards to the affiliate system multiple times. Now I just feel like the point is moot and this has just turned into more of the same old that we generally avoid. Either way, I wish you the best. You have done a lot for this community, and your input is always appreciated regardless of all of this.


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

So you've been active 91 days with zero SEO, chilling on the newbies list, and are on pace to surpass ABSOLUTE MINIMUM 200k+/year in revenue from your affiliates alone. Must be a fucking miracle...

You do realize that's more than probably every vendor here without SEO or even with SEO, but not years of rep... Sure bud. Maybe one day.


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21done Vendor —

Actually, yes. Current growth rates with affiliate linked sales would exceed that, but yes. If you are just counting based on say, the last 14 or 30 days of sales, extrapolated to 52 weeks, then yes, it would be above 200k in revenue. Is this shocking/unheard of? I assumed guys like FYD/OIS were doing 10k+ per day, and that the top domestics were doing at least a third of that. Anyways, always on wickr. /edited to correct typo in affiliate sales versus overall


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

lmao sure bud. whatever makes you happy in your fantasy


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oi2 —

lolololol hes 110% full of shit i see my wokeness has rubbed off of you and enabled you to see through these niggas bs


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realSalzinator - Last Surviving OG —

ain't even wokeness lmao. i'd believe he was donald trump before that bs


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21done Vendor —

¯ _(ツ)_/¯


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HomeDepotEnthusiast —

Regardless of how we feel about whether or not having a separate form is a time saver for data input, the idea in of itself is far from useless.
Right now (compared to like 12 years ago) it's really easy to find a legit vendor online, and you often have like 5 choices for one state, which isn't what it was like, or if you had choices they came with reliability downsides. Right now for example if you want a nSC you have a lot of really equivalent choices between vendors. So from my experience getting guys into reselling and occasionally reselling what keeps people from just organizing a group themselves these days is not inability to find the sites or fill out the order form, but anxiety and ignorance about paying with Cryptocurrency as well as the delivery process.
10 years ago I would have told you the only reason resellers make good money is bc it's hard for the average person to find more than two vendors, however now that's not true and the main pull is being able to give someone cash and info once and not think about it again until they get the ID. So given that, I don't see how the info gets to them as being crucial to the process, so if you can speed it up with a system like this where everyone is using the same signature webapp than sure, it's not worthless.
Also NINJA EDIT: OP stop telling people to use coinbase. Coinbase is more interested in attracting amateur investors than being used as a marketplace and wallet and will complicate the process more often than not for this type of low volume transaction.


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i_main_darius Y E E T —

OP stop telling people to use coinbase. Coinbase is more interested in attracting amateur investors than being used as a marketplace and wallet and will complicate the process more often than not for this type of low volume transaction.

And that's how you know OP is a noob. If they had been on this site for anything longer than 1 week they would know that coinbase is the worst option