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Casino "Advantage Players" Question ( self )

submitted by BlackkaJackka Warning: 0%

Hi Folks, newbie member here joined to just ask a question.

I am a long time professional 'advantage player' making my living taking money from the evil casinos around USA. We play with an edge over the house using traditional techniques well-known such as card counting etc, but also by exploiting weakness in the game operation (dealers who accidentally flash hole card etc) and other less known techniques.

Bottom line, what we do IS LEGAL but yeah sometimes can cross over into less-than-entirely-ethical territory. Unless you believe - as I do - that CASINOS are EVIL INCARNATE and they deserve to lose as much money to anyone and everyone possible in whatever way is necessary.

So my question is, which vendors here will make NOVELTY ID for professional casino advantage players, i.e. clearly people over 21 years old but who are not using the ID for identity theft or any other actual "bad" reason, but are using the alternate ID only to help evade casino player monitor and tracking?

Which states does not matter much as casinos serve players from all over the country but specific recommendations or referral from the vendors themselves, who will welcome our business?

Thank you.

P.S. I manage several different "team" operations with MANY players so I represent possibly a very high volume, regular repeat good-business customer for any vendor who can earn my loyalty: please PM me.



Upvoted: i_main_darius, BlackkaJackka
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DoveForgeries Vendor —

lmao did you just watch the movie 21?


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

LOL nope (and be warned, there are a shit ton of inaccuracies in that movie for anyone thinking it's a tutorial)


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VenomV74 —

This guy came straight from a movie. Sounds awesome though. Earn those stacks for us, brother.


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Doin' our best out here in the trenches, every day brother LOL


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vishmonsta IDHurry.com - IDgod.to - Already21.com Scammer —

Think budget may be your option if you want any age.


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Thanks for reply vish, any others? Anyone else have info for me?


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Hm looking at Budget website seems to indicate there they do NOT accept any orders for older than 21, pretty clear, at ALL.

So, vish, what made you say they do? This stuff on site is just disclaimer cover-story or something and you do know for a fact they don't care about customer age after all? Or, what?


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Redacted —

Any big winnings are going to require your ID going through a box scanner. No one will make that for you.


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Not a problem actually as our teams generally try to avoid "big winnings" for exactly these reasons (more attention etc).

We employ a more hit-and-run type approach to slowly and steadily bleed off small wins under the radar.

Simple example that anyone can easily do, is something called "back counting" at blackjack: what you do is sit at the game or stand behind a chair not even sitting down and count the cards coming out of the shoe as usual (high-low tens/aces vs 2-6 is the most well known count... google it)

This method means you are not risking ANY money at all on the game until you have a "plus count" or player advantage. When the cards turn in your favor, say plus+3 minimum, only THEN you put a bet in the circle and play a few hands, hopefully win just a hand or two, and then GET UP AND LEAVE THE GAME when the plus-count returns to neutral or negative.

Just a simple example given to prove I am what I say I am here guys... hope this info helps.


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nitrogrue Only drinks O'Douls —

most vendors will not process your order if you appear over 21, because it seems like identity fraud


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Um, yeah I get that. Point of why I am asking here.

But point of asking is to find out WHICH vendors still MIGHT accept business from an exception-case like me? Or at least which ones will be honest enough to say up front "dont order from us" and not just force someone like me to place an order, send them money, and only then find out they won't fill the order (keeping the money)


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Ramses Small Penis Compensator —

Now I want to get back into playing. God dammit.


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Ha ha Ramses... yeah, man YOU SHOULD!

Seriously it's not as hard as some people make it out to be. The idea that you need to be Rain Man to successfully count cards is ridiculous: IT AIN'T THAT HARD! I've trained people over just a couple of weekends to get basic proficient at it (although yes to be really solid you have to practice on your own probably a month or two at home before ever even trying to set foot in a casino).

Even just a very simple Ace-Five count (google it) coupled with perfect religious strict Basic Strategy play (correct chart for the rules and number of decks you're playing) is enough to give even the vacationing casual recreational player AN EVEN GAME WITH THE HOUSE, 0% EDGE, which when you add in the comps that the casino will give you (free food drinks shows room maybe airfare) means you can get a free vacation at the very least!

Serious, folks: read a book on this shit and put in a few hours practice and YES even YOU can DO it! LOL


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Budgetfakes.com OG Vendor —

We make novelty id's , we do any age any picture even pets . Any vendor that doesnt then is not making novelty ids they are making fakes with intent to help people under that age to break the law. We follow all laws and we do not sell to anyone knowly they are using it it for no good. Our only rule is we do not allow people to pick their own dl number as there is no legal reason for it.

But now to talk about this thread since we were linked here by a poster. It's not illegal to count cards you are correct , but the laws are infact being broken in this instance. Using a fake id to evade taxes could also be looked at as money laundering which we will not be a part of . So again yes we do make ids for all ages but not for identity theift or money laundering etc.


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Hi Budget: thanks very much for reply!

Good info to have, and YES indeed we are NOT doing anything illegal, not even tax evasion or money laundering for sure. ALL of our TEAM players keep scrupulously accurate win/loss records and we ALL pay ALL our TAXES 100% accurately every year, as honest legal fully declared Casino Gaming Advantage Player Professionals.

We file any 1099-G forms we receive (gambling winnings) and we keep all records fully accurate, believe me: it's a risky enough business as-is to tempt any fate with going against the IRS too, LOL

BUT as noted it's not illegal to count cards, so the ID that our players need to avoid excess casino scrutiny is simply a means to prevent the casino policy (not law) from being enforced against our skilled players from being BARRED from the GAMES.

To be clear: purpose here is to defeat a particular business from enforcing an arguably illegal, immoral, discriminatory, unethical and probably unconstitutional (if it were ever tested in courts) simply WRONG and EVIL POLICY... against a perfectly legitimate and legal activity being pursued by 100% honest law abiding tax-paying skilled game players.

Why on earth any ID vendor would think it's the "right thing to do" to exclude such a customer from their business, is a mystery to me.

So, thanks again for your reply. We will put you on the top of our list for future business.

Any OTHER actual VENDORS here want to comment on this topic?

Anyone else also willing to work for us, or is Budget the only decent vendor who's willing to step up and take a stand for the little guy here???

Anyone? Anyone??


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NANI Lucy Computer Nerd —

I remember you, you emailed us when we first opened ~2 years ago asking for this back when we were doing Sigaint email orders.

By your logic, big banks are also "evil incarnate" and it's ok for us to go use fakes to open up fraudulent accounts because "the evil banks deserve to lose the money" right?

But anyways, let's go entirely by your logic. You're using the ID to trespass onto casino property. Correct, 100% legal to count cards. However, they are also 100% entirely allowed to kick you out for literally any reason they want (with very few exceptions, like race/gender), and then if you come back after being kicked out, that's trespassing, which is definitely illegal, and if you use a fake to get around that, that's identity fraud, which is a "bad" reason. So since you just admitted to using it for that.... sorry buddy.


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BlackkaJackka [S] —

Yeah. Well. That's just, like, your opinion, Man.

LOL

And BTW wasn't me years ago, I never been here before or talked to anyone about this until now. There are more than ONE pro advantage players working the stores out there y'know. Einstein.

LOL